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I am a female, born in the 1990s, working in Amazon operations, based in Shenzhen.
Current job: 10-15K (base salary 9K, commission varies), split-week work, 9am to 7pm, 15-minute commute by bike, only social security, no year-end bonus, no holiday benefits, and no salary increase in the two years since I came here.
When I came here, I was semi-opening (I had an account, a brand, and links, but the ratings were very poor (basically 3.7-4), the account was losing money, I was the only one on Amazon, and I did everything by myself, even as small as packaging and labeling). Later, my performance reached about 100,000 US dollars: I know that this performance is very poor here, but I was able to go from loss to profit by myself, and I did everything myself. I think this result is worthy of this salary.
I really want to quit now. The main reason: the product is not good - the quality is very poor, there is no way to solve it, the function is very single, there is no competitiveness, the certification is not complete, and it cannot be sold in many regions. And there are no new products. The boss hopes to remedy it by giving good reviews, but it doesn't work at all. Everyone knows that this is very risky and costly, and it is easy to be deleted, and it is difficult to achieve the effect of diluting bad reviews (bad reviews come too quickly). Most importantly, it is not the operation model I want. I still want to operate in a white hat way.
Other causes
Working hours are too long: I have to leave work at 7 o'clock every day, including the day before the holiday. I have to watch the store at home at night, and I will be scolded if I am late.
The benefits are too bad: no base salary increase after two years of employment, no year-end bonus, and no other benefits (afternoon tea, start-of-work bonus, dinner)
Every month's salary and social security are delayed and will only be paid after prompting.
I went out to interview two people these days.
The first one: Jingpu, base salary 8K, big and small week, but it is difficult to get commission because it is based on net profit (minus all costs including inventory cost---inventory that has not been sold)
Another one: high-quality, two days off a week. But the base salary is only 6K, and the commission is more than 3% of the payment.
I really want to run away now, but I can't accept the decrease in income. I really want to know, is the current industry salary level shrinking, or is my ability only worth this price? With my experience (3 years of B-side, 4 years of Amazon operations, monthly sales of about 100,000 US dollars, pioneering experience, stable off-site resources) how much basic salary can I get?
Should I continue to stay here? If I continue to stay here, I feel like I will be ruined. There is really no pressure here. I just need to restock the old stable links and no new products are released. However, for products with poor quality, sales will be cut in half as soon as bad reviews come in, and there are many bad reviews. Moreover, the platform is stricter this year, and there is no certification (as I said before, the boss was reluctant to do it, and I could appeal at that time, but now it is not possible). Some links have been removed, and the account is going downhill. I have no passion for work, it seems that no matter how hard you work, it will be just like that.
In addition, the company mainly deals with domestic products and will not agree to make other products. If I continue to stay here, I can only work hard on the product and fight my way out, but the commission will be less and less, or even zero.
Thank you for your valuable suggestions, I will check them carefully. Although I am considered a veteran in the workplace, I am still very confused at the moment. It is true that I am doing too badly.
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Anonymous user Agree with: Goodbye Nanhe, unknown nickname, Freya Fukumotofu, hit you with a lollipop, Xiaobai asks for advice more » I live with three college roommates from Shenzhen, all of whom are Amazon operators. I work alone and earn 30,000 yuan a month (started a business at 21, in partnership with a friend)
Japanese roommate A: Base salary 1, comprehensive salary 20,000-40,000, last year's year-end salary 20,000, boss gave it to me at will (I've been in Shenzhen for 20 years, started working at Amazon, stayed in this company for 4 years and my salary jumped with the company)
Amazon roommate B: base salary 6, comprehensive 10,000-1.20,000, last year's year-end salary was 17,000, which is linked to performance (I have been working in Shenzhen for 22 years, working for Amazon, just changed to a new company for a year, and was a half-newbie when I changed to this company)
I introduced my friend's and my situation to say that your salary will not drop drastically if you change, and you will become less and less confident if you don't change. The reason you have such concerns is because you are not confident in your abilities.
You must change jobs. You cannot stay like a frog in boiling water. It will take half a year to find a job where your salary can increase. Of course, you have to find a job with product strength.
When looking for a job, the highest salary you can get is 8k-9k, because there are not many people willing to offer a salary starting with 1k (in fact, you can find out the basic salary by looking at a few companies and comparing them vertically)
The company you choose depends on the vision of the boss. You should focus on finding a company that focuses on the product itself. It won’t work if you just spend your days pinching this or that.
In fact, operations managers should not be too obsessed with the basic salary of 1K or 2K. It mainly depends on the commission point of the salary structure. It would be better if the commission is based on a tiered system.
Don't be too anxious when looking for a job, take your time, it actually depends a lot on luck.
You can ask about the company's GMV, categories, and number of people and calculate it yourself based on a profit margin of 15%-20%. If you really can't figure it out, you can go in and silently calculate the commission of your colleagues. You can estimate the approximate salary. If it doesn't work, just leave.
Don't be too honest in the interview. It's helpful to be more confident and logical. Prepare for the interview according to her recruitment requirements. For example, you can learn about the category of her company in advance and talk about it in a targeted way. The impression score will go up directly.
In short, sisters, don’t be afraid to step out of your comfort zone. Once you jump out, stride forward and believe in yourself .
Elvisyu - 2 years of cross-border e-commerce operation in Shenzhen Agree with: Earn 100,000 this year, unknown nickname, Lilizhizhi, I am Damai, I am afraid of no one, I will hit you with a lollipop more » After reading the answerer's description and the offer situation, I learned that the young lady's current job is in the field of fine shopping or distribution.
First of all, you have rich experience and four years of experience. According to the market price, you could have a basic salary of more than 12K. Note that it is a basic salary. I am also based in Shenzhen, and I have a basic salary of 13K after three years of experience, so I am confident that you can get it.
In fact, to a large extent, the reason you get such a low salary is mainly because you are too sincere. Although sincerity is good, the money is too little. You need to properly beautify your resume, performance, and business model. The interviewer is the person he needs. You are the kind of person he needs. It is a game. When all your conditions are met, you will get the offer.
My friend had the same experience as me, but he dared to say that his performance was high. Of course, it was not ridiculously high, but just to make the interviewer feel that this performance was indeed worthy of your salary. He said the fine-scale model was the boutique model. He was confident from beginning to end. Because he knew the questions that should be asked in many interviews with many companies, and then he wrote down all the questions and summarized a beautiful and satisfactory answer. Therefore, he got more and more offers. He said all the answers that the interviewer wanted to hear, and it was difficult not to give him an offer. I was jealous at the time and said that it was useless to enter the company, and he would be fired. The fact is that after he entered the company, he learned and asked others for advice. Not only did he pass the probation period, but he also left a very good impression on the leader.
For the same job, he gets 13K and you get 8K. At the end of the year, he earns more than you, and that doesn't include any commission. This is the so-called salary negotiation ability. Don't be afraid to say that you are not good enough. Your experience is there, and operational work is more process-oriented. As long as you are not a complete novice who knows nothing, you should have the confidence to negotiate a high salary.
So the whole description of the young lady is that her circle is too small and she comes into contact with too few people, so she doesn't know where her own value lies. Secondly, she has a low sense of worthiness and lacks confidence. She obviously has the resources and can solve the problem. This has already defeated many people. Even if her operational level is not good, the worst that can happen is that she can learn after entering the company. There is no problem. As long as you are willing to ask others, you don't have to worry about not being able to get a full-time job. Finally, I wish the young lady to find a satisfactory job. GloriaL opez • Shenzhen • 2024-03-29 15:32 You said it very well. I want to be friends with you^_^
Nuozi • Guangdong • 2024-04-01 11:56 How should I beautify this resume? I have six or seven years of experience.
Elv isyu • Shenzhen • 2024-04-03 14:23 @糯梓: 6-7 years of experience in high-quality products, 15K is the minimum I think. For resumes, my suggestion is to show your strengths in advance, that is, to refine them, such as independently operating a store, how much performance you have achieved, and what resources you have, so that the interviewer can quickly know your value and the degree of match between the value you provide and the company. As long as the match is good and the interview performance is OK, it is difficult not to send an offer. (I interviewed 10 companies in one week and got 9 offers, relying on this writing method)
Anonymous user You can consider two aspects. The first aspect is to change the status quo.
I guess your boss doesn't know much about Amazon operations. Go talk to your boss with your own thoughts. Here are my personal suggestions for what you mentioned:
1. Product
Regarding quality. List the disadvantages of the product. Amazon attaches great importance to products. If the quality is not good, the life cycle will be very short. Regarding the quality, see if you can contact the factory to improve it;
Regarding functions. Show links to competitor products, saying that their products have been upgraded or have added new functions, and if we don’t catch up, we will be eliminated;
Regarding certification. If the sales volume in the region involved is not large, you can ignore it. If the sales volume is good, it is recommended to do it (the certification may be expensive and the boss may think it is not worth it). You just need to grasp the key areas.
Regarding new products. To be honest, if the product is not very outstanding, it is difficult to promote it by relying on white hat alone. Nowadays, no matter which category is very competitive, it is very difficult to find relatively blue ocean products. If you don’t grasp it well, it will be unsalable. So it depends on the current situation of your company and how the product is developed. If it is not a good product, it is better not to launch it; and the boss may consider that the current profit is not enough to develop new products and the risks of new products are relatively high (if you can eliminate/reduce these concerns of the boss, I believe the boss will also support new products)
Regarding reviews. The root cause is still quality. When quality is improved, maintaining reviews can be done from two dimensions: reducing negative reviews-->>1) ensuring the accuracy of link information2) providing good after-sales service, responding professionally and promptly3) contacting customers who have returned products (the kind that can solve their problems) and adding positive reviews-->>1) requesting reviews for those who have left good feedback in the backend2) solving customer problems, and then asking for reviews appropriately3) vine voice replies4) combining positive links of similar products;
You can tell your boss that poor product quality will lead to a vicious cycle (in terms of returns and bad reviews) and urge him to improve the quality.
You can print out these questions in a document and have a good talk with your boss. If you want to do well on Amazon, some people will listen to you. It depends on your boss's plan and investment.
2. Company Benefits
Small companies have relatively incomplete welfare. You know the working hours before you join the company. You were able to accept it before and you can accept it now. Maybe you are a little emotional about work now, which makes you exaggerate it.
It is normal for an operator to check the store at night. After all, it is related to his own interests. If you don't check, he won't know. I am used to checking before I can sleep peacefully.
Regarding the basic salary and year-end bonus, you can take the initiative to ask your boss and let him know your idea. Otherwise, your boss will not take the initiative to tell you and you have to fight for it yourself.
The lack of other benefits will not affect the work, and if they do exist, it may be icing on the cake. I don’t mind these. I am more socially anxious, haha, but I will also complain about the lack of benefits like you;
Salary and social security are the reason you come here. As long as you ask for their payment, they will be paid. No delay will be allowed.
In addition to dissatisfaction with benefits, whether overtime, colleagues around, working atmosphere, etc. are acceptable.
The above may seem to force you to accept the status quo, but you can ask yourself if you are dissatisfied with the status quo, can it be changed? If not, can I accept it? If it cannot be changed or accepted, then 886
The second aspect is to accept differences
Can I find a better job after leaving? (If there is no better one, I might as well not change jobs) Better means better than your current company, such as better products, etc.
Is it acceptable to have a gap before and after leaving the job? At least in the short term, for example, lower salary, reintegration into the environment
The most important thing is what are your future plans, how many years can you stay in this job, is your purpose now to save money or develop? If you can't meet your requirements, you can leave.
Finally, let me talk about a more realistic issue. I have seen that Amazon is a young industry. Only about 10% of job seekers in Shenzhen are over 30 years old. In Guangzhou, the proportion of young people is even worse, less than 10%. (No offense here.) What I want to say here is that the industry is not friendly to age. And you have been here for two years. You can continue to work hard here, because you may not be better off in a new place. (But it does not rule out that you will be better off if you change.)
Don't deny yourself, you are already great, keep it up! Anonymous user • Shenzhen • 2024-03-28 09:54 Thank you very much for your advice.
Actually, I have done all of the things you said, but my boss is unmoved. Because these problems have always existed, I tried hard to solve them in the early stage. The boss has no way to deal with product quality issues. He keeps saying that they are being improved, but it is still the same. He does not admit that the function is single, and he cannot wake up someone who is pretending to be asleep. When the certification is incomplete, he says that others must not have it either. What can I do? I have to solve it myself. But it is very tiring. One problem after another seems to be solvable, but the result is that it is pushed up and finally removed from the shelves or demoted due to bad reviews, returns, complaints, certification and other issues.
We didn't develop anything, it was just the products chosen by the boss, and we could only sell these few models. If there were bad reviews, I would be asked to give good reviews. If the links were broken, I would create new links, and then there would be bad reviews again, and the cycle would continue. Every time I could push a new product up, I would be unable to withstand the flood of bad reviews that followed.
Working hours were not set when I first started working, but were changed by my boss later. I don’t mind watching the store at night, I just want to say that I get off work so late and have to work overtime when I get home, so I shouldn’t be scolded for being a few minutes late. I stayed at the store until New Year’s Eve, but they didn’t want to give me the year-end bonus. I am feeling wronged here. I definitely fought for a salary increase and year-end bonus, but he didn’t give them to me, so I won’t ask for it this year, so as not to be called to PUA again.
Indeed, age is a disadvantage. At my age, my ability is a bit embarrassing. I am not satisfied with the salary offered by the other party when applying for a specialist position, and I lack the experience and ability when applying for a management position.
So, I persisted here despite the difficulties, because I knew it would be hard to find a job outside. But it has been almost three years, and I have made very slow progress this year, with many changes. I have no passion for work, and I am exhausting myself every day.
Anonymous user • Shenzhen • 2024-03-28 17:10 @Anonymous user Then this is the limitation of the company. With this operating model, is the return rate okay? Are you making money now? If you are making money, the boss will not care how tired you are in the process, he only wants the result. I have tried to communicate. The boss should also know the current situation, but there is no way to solve it. If the product does not get off the ground or fails in the future, it cannot be entirely blamed on you. Since you cannot change it, just let it be. If you insist on working here, keep a calm mind. At the same time, you can find time to learn and improve yourself after completing your work (you need to be determined to study hard). As long as you have the ability and resources, I believe age will not be a disadvantage. You can give yourself some time to settle down and be ready to leave before leaving (at least you are confident in the interview, and you have theoretical knowledge to support yourself even if you do not have practical experience)
Anonymous user Agree with: Hit you with a lollipop, wanyine, FutureFly This experience and experience should not lead to only this result. I think this situation still requires deep reflection. I have some suggestions:
Reflection on my own experience working at Amazon for 4 years, roughly the following dimensions:
Four years of professional skills (Amazon platform understanding, product selection, copywriting, visuals, advertising, operations, etc.)
Communication skills (including effective oral and written communication, listening and understanding, expressing opinions, negotiation and cooperation, etc.)
Problem-solving skills (analyzing problems, developing solutions, responding to challenges and handling complex situations)
Teamwork skills (working with others, coordinating efforts, sharing responsibilities, etc.)
Learning ability (actively learn new knowledge, adapt to changes, and continuously improve one's abilities)
Time management skills: (reasonable arrangement of work tasks, setting priorities, and effective use of time)
You can write down one, two, and three things about each dimension, and then compare them with what excellent people are like, what are your own strengths, and what needs to be improved, especially in terms of professional skills, and basically you have a clear understanding.
Summary and reflection of two interviews <br>Subjective factors: How did you perform in the interview, did you get high value recognition from the interviewer, did you lose points in any aspects, etc.
Objective factors: What are the background and strength of the two companies, whether there is any freeloading and exploitation of workers, the personal ability of the interviewer, whether it is difficult to make a clear judgment, etc.
Don't deny yourself. Everyone has the potential to be a good horse, but they just haven't met their mentor. Don't doubt the market environment. No matter how bad or volatile the market is, there will always be someone who can stand at the top. What you think in your heart is what you get. Come on, workers.
Daya Cross-border Amazon - Provides internal training and consulting services for veteran sellers, and is also an Amazon seller with 8 years of experience Agree with: Be your own king, unknown nickname, I am Damai, I am not afraid of anyone, rainco, WNYB more» Let’s take a look at this logical formula: Platform > Company > Product > Personal Ability
Here are a few more suggestions:
1. Amazon has developed to the point where you can no longer make money just by speculating. The core advantage still depends on the company's profit model, that is, the company's financial strength, resource accumulation, the boss's cognition and strategy, etc. So when choosing, you should look at whether the company's profit model is healthy (what products and models are the main sources of profit, whether the product iteration management standards are clear, etc.) If there are high requirements for advertising and new product promotion, the product competitiveness is basically not high, and you can basically not consider it if you rely on the operation end to turn the tide. Because such companies have no awareness of product iteration and full life cycle management, they will only become more and more unhealthy.
Second: Try to upgrade your skills and move to an operations management position. Distill the essence of your experience in the past few years, your understanding of the platform, your experience in product development and product promotion, package your performance, and sort out your understanding of the team. If you do these well, you can basically pass the interview. The next step is to find a company with the same frequency and affinity. Seeing that the two positions you interviewed are both operations positions, it is estimated that you have also shown some operations-related things. It is recommended to change.
3. Move towards project operator, which is one level higher than operation. You can organize your previous understanding and operation experience of a familiar category. Many companies value operators who are familiar with the category.
Anyone in my team who is hired to work will have a base salary of no less than 10K. The key is to be familiar with a certain category and have successful operation experience, be able to think independently, and have the awareness and ideas to identify and solve problems.
It should be so - God helps those who help themselves Agree from: rainco, quantum society, Xiaolong123max "With my experience (3 years of B-side, 4 years of Amazon operations, monthly sales of around 100,000 USD, experience in pioneering new products, and stable off-site resources), how much base salary can I get?"
There are some with a base salary of 10K to 12K, and if you are lucky and do well in the interview, you may get more. But in the current industry, there are relatively few job platforms with high base salaries and high commissions. In other words, the comprehensive income of specialists is basically in a range throughout the year, either high base salary + low commission or fixed performance, or low base salary + more commission feedback, which is the current situation of most specialists.
On the other hand, if we compare the current recruitment salaries with those in 2020 and 2021, there has indeed been a certain degree of decline.
It is definitely not a good idea to stay in the same place for a long time. It is not good for your material growth and mental consumption. My suggestion is that you can look for a job while you are still working. Interviewing two companies does not mean anything. And the demand for recruitment should be relatively strong now. Anyway, as a recruiter, I am urging our HR to submit resumes every day... It is really a drought and a flood...
Round and round staff First of all, even if you want to change jobs, it is recommended to find a job that has two days off a week. The experience of having one day off a week is completely different from having two days off a week. If you only have one day off a week, you will have to work one month longer than others in a year! !
Secondly, the commission for operations is higher than the base salary, but since you already have experience at Amazon, it is recommended that you accept a moderate salary reduction to change jobs. But 6K is too little. The starting salary for assistants in our company is 6K. Good boutique companies must be willing to spend more money to recruit experienced and capable senior operations rather than mass-produce newbies at a low commission. We don't go to companies that are too narrow-minded.
According to the operations that have left our company, the comprehensive income of each person is likely to be 10,000+, with two days off a week. As long as you have experience and past performance. And you also have pioneering experience + your own resources! The market environment is not as bad as you think, so don't underestimate yourself.
Think about it: work content, colleagues, salary. If you meet two of the three points, you can continue to stay. If you only meet one or even none of them, there is no need to stay. Changing to another one will not be much worse.
Wish you good luck!!
Zhang Heng Agree from: AliceC, liaren, Xiaoxin Kiki, Zhang Zhiming 123, Ran Hanying 928 More » Performance doesn’t explain anything, but you need to know how you achieved this performance and what else you can do.
Some companies have a very good system, and it is very easy for operations to achieve results. The operators are also very confident and feel like they are big shots. Some companies are very unreliable. No matter how they make their products, they are not good. Not to mention losing money, they can only make a few hundred orders a day, and it is difficult to make 50 orders a day. If the operators are always in such companies, they will doubt themselves.
So to a certain extent, choosing a company really depends on luck.
As for those who can launch a product as soon as they join the company, it can only be said that the right time, right place and right people have come together. If the time/place are changed, it will be a failure.
Performance = perfect company system + leaders who are not self-righteous + proper product and market penetration + good operation level. Personally, I think: none of them can be missing.
Sunny Old Boy 1: Take the initiative to talk to the boss about salary. The base salary is 12,000 yuan, and the working time is 7 o'clock, which is reasonable in this industry. You have been in the field for a long time, and your performance is the worst in your company? I don't understand.
2: Ability and income must be proportional. If it is your own ability, not the help given by the platform, you can get a guaranteed 10K, no problem, it is worth the price. If you get more, you will be a team leader or supervisor. Of course, different companies have different treatments.
3: Finding a job is not a one-day job. You should also make it clear during the interview that you are only available for interviews after get off work. Your attitude is firm. People who need you have a reason to wait for you, which means they are interested in you.
4: Burn your boats and fight to the death. Save some money at ordinary times. Since your boss is willing to maintain the review and evaluation and is willing to pay for it, you should work hard. If you fail, you will die. If you succeed, everything will be fine. If you fail, start over again.
People born in the 90s are still young. They deserve better. Good luck to you.
Anonymous user If you work for a company that has no sense of value for a long time, you will feel anxious. I have experienced this deeply.
According to the current situation of the OP, you should either change your job or find a way to do a side job. Otherwise, staying in this company will only continue to waste your youth. Adjust your expectations, find a company with easy work and weekends off, look at more products, and find opportunities to do a side job.
You need to spend more time to find the best companies. There are very few companies that offer two-day weekends off. Since the base salary offered to you is 6K, maybe your previous operational experience is more in the direction of fine-laying. If you think you are a buried talent, then you can interview with a few more boutique companies to see if the salary levels offered are very different.
If it is not big, you have to accept the reality and find a high-quality company with decent salary, acceptable work intensity and good product line, then learn more and accumulate experience for half a year to a year, then you can negotiate salary or quit and package your resume. However, this depends on whether you are very close to 30 years old. If you want to change jobs, it is recommended not to quit without a plan, as it is difficult to find a good job now.
Dry rice people love dry rice - Newbie How should I put it? I think this situation is still very common in Amazon. It's not just you. Many people are like this. I suggest you don't just stay there. Look for a better job again. Change your place. Don't stay near Wuhe and Bantian. The salary near here is actually a little lower than other places.
If you really want a high salary, you still have to have the ability. You are not good at interviewing. 6k is too much for your experience. 8k is not very good either, but I think it is better than 6k. I suggest you look for more and improve your operation level. You have to see how to do it. If you can make 100,000 yuan for one product and one link, then you are fine. If you have multiple links and multiple products, then 100,000 yuan may not be very good. Analyze the specific situation. As long as you are willing to work hard, there is always a way out. Come on, Oli Ge! Anonymous user • Shenzhen • 2024-03-28 10:08 Thank you for your reply. Yes, 100,000 USD is not for one link, but for several links. Although it is a fine product, it is rare to make only one link now, at least 3-5 links. If there is only one link, it will become useless. It is not so easy to create a hit product now, of course, for mini sellers like us. Anyway, high input and high output, we have little funds, so the scale is small, I believe 100,000 USD is not my ceiling. In a large company, a product is equipped with: operations, operations assistants, advertising pitchers, off-site evaluation specialists, logistics specialists, etc., so it is reasonable to make 10 million.
Anonymous user Retreat! But don’t jump in a hurry, find the next one first; then, regarding interviews, I changed companies at that time and interviewed more than 15 companies. Apply to many companies first to gain experience, but don’t apply to companies that you are particularly interested in; after accumulating enough experience, optimize and adjust your resume, and then apply to big companies; basically from 0 to 100,000 US dollars, it’s amazing, mainly because you are able to take on a lot of responsibilities, so you are more versatile. Some big companies have very detailed divisions of labor: customer service, logistics, S orders, off-site, advertising, copywriting, design, etc., all have corresponding departments in charge, and most people have no practical experience, so you have an advantage.
For someone like you who is so eager to change jobs, staying one more day is torture! The key is that "the monthly salary and social security are delayed and will only be paid after prompting", what a joke, it shows that the boss of the company is not good, either he has no money, or he thinks this Amazon department is dispensable, a black-hearted boss. Normally, for those who enter the company semi-opening, the company should provide greater support: basic salary or a little bit of money; but your company is not like that!
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