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Iszzzz 1. Education: Bachelor degree + 985 Master degree, major in Environmental Science and Engineering, graduated in 2019, currently in his early 30s ;
2. Work status: I have been working in the environmental protection field in Shenzhen since graduation. It has been exactly 4 years since July. I am currently unemployed .
3. Salary: Annual pre-tax income before leaving is 250,000+. Based on my work experience, I can probably find a job with an annual salary of 200,000 to 300,000 in the environmental protection field in Shenzhen.
4. Resource situation: Family members can hardly help and have no resources. I only have one relative who is a supervisor in a garment factory in Shenzhen and has a lot of say. This is the only available resource, but it may not be used.
2. Why do you want to switch to Amazon? 1. The state-owned enterprises that have developed well in the environmental protection industry are basically those that have to deal with the government a lot. I hate the bureaucracy very much, but if I want to deepen my career in this industry, I basically have to accept it. At the same time, the ceiling of the industry is relatively low. Generally, 300,000 yuan/year is pretty good, unless you have achieved a level leap, etc.;
2. I feel that starting a business on Amazon is relatively free . Although I know that Amazon’s development is not as good as in previous years, opportunities are still there, and the platform rules do not allow illegal means such as S orders. I also prefer this concept.
3. Expectations for career change 1. I want to find a job in the Amazon industry to gain experience, but I don’t think about how much money I can make in the early stage. I just want to cover my food and accommodation costs;
2. I hope to start my own business after working in the Amazon industry for 1-2 years . I can invest 100,000 to 200,000 yuan, but I don’t know how much room this amount of money will leave.
The above is my current status and my thoughts on changing careers. I would like to ask you some questions: How big a company should you join (this can be measured by the number of employees or other better methods);
What position do you recommend? I know that operations and development are more suitable for me. Which of these two is more suitable for me? Or are there other better positions? Or should I try both of these positions for half a year? In addition, is it better to work in boutique or fine store?
What kind of company is better to join ? This seems to be very important. Please recommend based on your own understanding.
If you are starting a business , is it better to use the US site as the first site ? What about other sites such as the Japanese site?
If you find that starting a business is not a success after working, is it worthwhile to continue working in this industry? How difficult is it to earn more than 300,000 yuan per year before tax ?
- If you have other good suggestions and ideas, please feel free to let me know.
(Also: Do you have any company recommendations? Companies south of Longhua and Baoan Xixiang are best. I hope to have two days off a week, and a long and short week is also acceptable. This is not one of the issues and can be ignored~)
I don't know which big brother has pushed this post up again these days. I'll take this opportunity to share the follow-up. 1. Some recent developments
1. Company I joined: I found an Amazon startup in Shenzhen. The salary it offered was higher than the market salary for new employees. The boss had worked there for a few years before and hired a few people to expand slowly. Currently, I have been given some courses to study on my own and ask colleagues and bosses;
2. Contact sites: Mainly the US site, and secondly some products from the UK site. Currently in the training period, the products given are some old products for training. There is a stable profit every day, and the ranking can be gradually improved; 3. Understand the content: copywriting and two advertising strategies (both should be advanced strategies at present) 1. About operations: I have seen some extreme statements - anyone who works at Amazon can do operations. In fact, I personally feel that if you put aside product development and just focus on operations (especially advertising), it is not difficult to learn some basic content. However, you need to understand and master some advanced strategies and the logic behind them. I am afraid that not many people can learn this. As for some advertising strategies that I am currently exposed to, some experienced operators have only mastered and applied them in a general way. The reasons may include: ① Poor learning ability to summarize and generalize, making it difficult to summarize the main content and form one's own set of methods and processes for analyzing and adjusting advertisements ② Looking ahead and behind, you may feel that you have mastered it when you are learning, but you are not decisive in practice. When you see that the data is not good, you panic and adjust in other ways, which makes the entire advertising logic chaotic, etc.
2. About career change: In fact, the reasons for career change are more complicated than those mentioned above, including whether to stay in Shenzhen for development in the future (if you stay in Shenzhen and work in the environmental protection industry, it is unlikely that you will have a good life in Shenzhen, and if you do not stay in Shenzhen, your salary may be cut in half), etc. I've seen many people say that academic qualifications are not very important in the e-commerce industry. This is indeed the case. In fact, many industries do not require high academic qualifications. It's just that society regards academic qualifications as an admission ticket to many opportunities (this is a tacit understanding or prejudice or another form of fairness formed by the development of modern society). However, if you want to do well on your own, learning ability is much more important than academic qualifications. Everyone says that Amazon has passed its bonus period, so the requirements for practitioners are higher at this time. A person's ability to actively acquire knowledge is more important. Only when the tide recedes can we know who is swimming naked.
3. About development: Whether it is Amazon or other e-commerce platforms, as long as there is demand, there are opportunities. I should continue to work in my current company and see how it develops in the future. At least for now, my overall condition is still good.
It’s getting late, so I’ll stop here for now. Finally, I would like to thank everyone for their suggestions, whether they are encouragement or persuasion; everyone has a different life, and every experience is an experience of life. I wish everyone can live their ideal life!
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Jiujiu633 Agree with: Yangme Yangme Yangme, Pure white without impurities, You can't imagine my happiness, cocope I am about the same age as the poster, but the difference is that you have a job with an annual salary of 250,000+. If you have patience, please read my experience. If you don't have patience, just read the last paragraph.
When I was looking for a job, many companies, big or small, didn't respond to me once they saw that I was a newbie. At this time , academic qualifications are no longer the most prominent advantage, but experience is . Generally, more than 1 year of work experience is required.
My first Amazon job was in a large e-commerce company with nearly 200 employees. I hadn’t seen the company’s backend for more than two months. In the first half of the month, I was reading the theoretical knowledge given to me by my supervisor (downloaded from Seller University). I just learned some basic knowledge, such as writing copy, finding competing products, and doing research. My supervisor was very busy every day, and so were my colleagues in the same group. They ignored my questions. I couldn’t stand this depressing atmosphere and asked for resignation.
After two months of experience, I went to another small company. The boss changed his career from Internet UI design. He thought he was very powerful and often interfered with the operations . Product prices, shipment quantities, advertising bids, and advertising budgets were all decided by him.
The funny thing is, when they asked me to enter, they said I had an account, but later they said I didn’t have an account, and politely asked me to leave. I went there to learn something, and since I didn’t have the opportunity to learn and couldn’t learn anything, I just left.
Now I am in the third company, a small company, the boss + operation (partner) + operation assistant (me), currently operating an old account of the UK site, not developing products and new links to write listings, just doing maintenance (after-sales and replenishment). Basically, I do whatever he asks me to do, and he tells me what he thinks is important. This has both advantages and disadvantages. The advantage is that it is relatively easy, and you can ask questions directly. The disadvantage is that there is no systematic training, and the contact is relatively scattered, and I need to make up for it by self-study.
I have been working with Amazon for 7 months. But I still don't know anything. Fortunately, the product I took over became a hit in December. At the same time, my supervisor told me that I would get a 2% commission on the net profit. It doesn't matter, they eat the meat and I just drink the soup.
so: 1. I suggest you go for a company that has been established for 2-3 years and is still expanding, with about 10-20 people. There will be experienced people to guide you, and the product/account you are given will not have a very long history. You may experience various problems, but there will be experienced people to teach you how to solve them. You may also have friends who join the company together, so you will not be so lonely.
2. In addition, if you want to learn, you should study for at least 1 year and go through a complete life cycle of a category/a product (peak season + off-season, new product period + rising period + explosive period + decline period), so that you can have a better grasp of the overall direction of the product.
3. Mentality: Too many people have been ravaged by Amazon. As many people in the comments will advise you not to enter, this is normal. What I want to say is that at this time you should calmly analyze what you want and what you can do. Don't have a rebellious mentality and try it when others say it's not possible. In any case, I hope you will succeed in everything you do!
ljb555 - a veteran who has been in the industry for many, many years Agree from: Iszzzz, Mr. Ding 888, Big Big Big L, Ponyo is here, Boom Dan more » Take a company with 20 people. If there are too many people, you will become a cog in the wheel and won’t be able to learn anything real . If there are too few people, no one will teach you anything and it will not be good if you have to figure things out on your own.
The operation position is definitely necessary, as only the operation can grasp the whole process and perceive the front-end market.
Considering that you plan to work alone in the future and don't have much investment, don't enter some bloody categories that require a lot of parameters (don't even think about 3C). Specifically, I recommend home, kitchen, garden, clothes, etc.
The US site is preferred, as it is mature in all aspects and has few problems . If you want to build a European site, the VAT CE certification alone is very cumbersome, and you will also face unfair competition from local European accounts that evade taxes. As for Japan, the scale is too small, and even if it is on the homepage, there are not many orders, and the scalability is low.
It is worthwhile to work hard, but it is also very competitive. If you think that it is easier and less stressful than your previous job, it will be difficult to succeed. In Shenzhen, after 3-5 years of good operation, the basic salary is 8-12k, and the commission is generally 5% of the net profit. The annual salary of 300,000 is still based on your performance, and everything is determined by KPI.
I also graduated from a 211 environmental engineering program, ten years earlier than you . At that time, it was much easier for me to pass the civil service exam and more than half of my college classmates were in the system, but I still chose to work in a private company that was not my major. First, my personality was not suitable for the system and second, the upper limit of private companies in my major, environmental protection, was too low. I went to a private company in Guangzhou for internship. When I learned that the so-called most powerful environmental protection process designer in his company had an annual salary of only hundreds of thousands (although it was not low in that era, it was still far below my expectations), I made up my mind to find a job in another industry. Fortunately, I entered the cross-border e-commerce industry in its golden development period and received the "dividend of the times". I am not rich, but I am well-off.
The competition in this industry is very fierce and even brutal, but if you settle in and slowly polish your product account and brand, there is still a lot of room for improvement. In a word, if you want to get rich quickly, please stay away. If you want to accumulate wealth, please come in.
Anonymous user Half a year has passed, and I don't know if the OP has taken action. Let me say a few words: if you want to change industries and become a boss, you must have the determination to burn your boats, the ability to act quickly and the strong learning ability. The most important thing is to have the right mindset , to be able to endure humiliation and tolerate others looking down on you.
I left a large IT company in my thirties. At that time, my annual salary was over 400,000 yuan and I had more than 1 million yuan in cash . Why did I leave? Because I wanted to be a boss and didn't want to work for others. After I left, I heard that foreign trade and cross-border e-commerce could make money, so I tried doing this.
I didn’t work for any foreign trade or e-commerce company. I started directly and learned on the job. It was inevitable that I would make mistakes and pay tuition fees. I started with AliExpress, but the prices were too high, so I moved to Amazon. After Amazon lost money for a year, I went into traditional foreign trade. Then, when traditional foreign trade took off, I went back to Amazon, which is now also on the rise.
I relied entirely on my own exploration and self-study along the way, so my income was in negative growth for at least five years. During the most difficult times, I had almost no cash on hand, and could only make a living by selling some things at home , such as selling my watch on Xianyu to get money for food, selling my computer and speakers for a few dozen dollars, etc. I was very excited to see the money from Xianyu coming in, because I finally had some cash. Thinking back on that time, I feel very sad.
Therefore, if the OP wants to change industries and become a boss, I suggest you go work first, work with humiliation and hardship, only work for small companies, not big companies, work in operations first, then in product development, work for four to five years without caring about the income , do more work, take on more tasks, do not be afraid of hard work, learn as many skills as possible, exercise your ability to withstand pressure, and then start a business after you have learned enough. an dy8888 Boss, please start a thread to share your experience. Your experience inspired me. I also failed in my business and went to work again. Only you can understand the bitterness.
Random Walk Boss, please share your experience. I was in a similar situation to you 5 years ago. I was confused about what to do.
Anonymous user Agree with: Iszzzz, Be your own king, Can you go to bed early today, Waterloo, Snowboarding across the glacier more » 1. How big is the company: At your age, you are still a rookie and you cannot get into a big company. You can only choose a small company, or you may have a chance. Amazon operation does not require a high degree of education. Having CET-4 or CET-6 is considered advanced.
Why choose a small company: A small company can basically handle all operation-related work, such as image requirements, market research, advertising, after-sales emails, logistics and delivery, etc., while a large company may be more like a project manager. You only need to raise requirements and cannot do any actual work. For example, there will be a dedicated advertising colleague to handle advertising, and a dedicated colleague will be responsible for image requirements. After-sales emails are also the responsibility of the customer service department. Considering your situation, you are going to work alone in the early stage of entrepreneurship, and the capital is only 100,000 to 200,000, so you need to be familiar with all the links and have experience in practical operation, which can reduce the trial and error cost of entrepreneurship;
2. Position: You must first understand operations, and then it may be easier for you to find a job in operations; as for product development, if the company has a product development department and mainly outsources products, you may also have the opportunity to get involved;
3. Category selection: Home furnishings - there is demand all year round, the demand is large, so it is recommended; Clothing - the return rate is high, it is very competitive, if you want to start a business, the initial investment cost is very large, it is not suitable, not recommended; Electronics - this can also be considered, but it is best to have products with a customer unit price of about US$30, so that you can try to make the company's products yourself;
4. As for the question of which site to choose for entrepreneurship: the US site is better, you only need to know English, the US product market is generally larger than Japan, and some value-added services are convenient to do, such as shooting videos of foreign celebrities; the European site also requires a tax registration number, and EU countries also have packaging laws, etc., which is more troublesome, and the logistics time in Europe is also long, which will increase your financial pressure; however, this is based on the fact that you have not yet determined what products to sell and which market is more suitable for this product;
5. In this industry, opportunities are more important: good positions, good products, and good timing, because commissions and performance will account for a relatively large proportion of the operating income; those in our company who have worked for 7-8 years have an annual income of more than 400,000 yuan, and some people have left after working for 7-8 years because the products they are responsible for are not good, and their income is greatly affected; if you reach the management level, it will be relatively stable. Managers generally have a basic salary of 25,000 to 30,000 yuan, plus team performance, commissions, and year-end bonuses. Our company has a management team that has received a year-end bonus of 1 million yuan, so relatively speaking, the ceiling of this industry is very high. There are opportunities, but it is not easy;
6. I really admire that you are so courageous at this age. It takes great courage to give up your old job with an annual income of 250,000+ and try to change careers. Everything is possible. I hope your dream comes true!
Anonymous user Agree from: Iszzzz, Anonymous Lady, Mr. Ding 888, Black Pineapple Li, Ponyo is here More » What size company should you join: The number of employees should be around 20 to 50. A large company with more employees may have a more detailed division of labor, which is not conducive to your future entrepreneurship. In a small company, you will be exposed to more work processes and grow faster.
What position do you recommend? I recommend operations, because I think development is a more professional position. For example, if you are a developer in a clothing company, your industry may be limited to the clothing industry. However, if you are an operator in clothing, you are not limited to the clothing category even if you change jobs. And I think it is more difficult to become a good developer than an operator.
What kind of company is better to join: There are two types of industries to choose from. The first is to choose a rising industry, such as green and sustainable products, new energy, smart home, etc. The second is to choose a company that specializes in a single category and has R&D capabilities. For example, the entire company specializes in auto parts, or sports equipment or gardening. It would be better if you can find a company that combines the two.
I don't know, I only work on the US site
If you find that starting a business is not a success after working, is it worthwhile to continue working in this industry? How difficult is it to earn more than 300,000 yuan before tax? B2C is a trend; 300,000 yuan before tax is not difficult, but it is not that easy.
Other good suggestions and ideas: Don’t start a business just because you see or hear that people around you make money in cross-border business. You must lay a solid foundation for yourself and study hard after entering the industry. When you can manage a store independently and promote new products with ease, then consider starting a business.
Make Money 555 If you don’t have someone to really guide you for 1-2 years, you can only learn the basics. But you can get familiar with the whole process. If you start a business, find someone who is good at product selection/operation to assist you.
Bird's eye view of the horizon @Iszzzz : To be honest, the income from Amazon is generally not as high as your current income, on average. But you should have a good learning ability, but I don't know if it can be transformed into business acumen. If you can, and you have a team to work on your own after a period of time, then I can tell you for sure that the ceiling of Amazon's cross-border prospects is much higher than your current job. Find a big market, get familiar with its small categories, and make progress step by step. The future is promising. Don't listen to pessimists, optimism leads to success.
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Agree from: Xi Suo the Big Bully, Mr. Ding 888 I am a 30+ mom who just switched to Amazon. I will be 35 soon. I have been engaged in traditional foreign trade BtoB before. It does take courage to change industries.
First of all, there will definitely be a gap in salary and benefits. My current base salary is 5,000, and I don’t see any hope of getting a commission within a year. Second, whether there is someone to guide you after joining the company. The first company I joined was a boutique company, and I didn’t pass the probation period after working for more than a month. My foundation was too poor, and I couldn’t keep up with the European site.
I am currently working in my second company, which has more than 10 employees. But the others are responsible for one product, and I am responsible for one product. I usually ask the boss questions, but I cannot ask the boss questions that he does not know. When I encounter a problem, I just look it up on the Internet.
Finally, it’s about mentality: many of your colleagues may be born after 1995 or 2000, much younger than you, but they may have more experience than you and earn more than you~ Is zzzz Thanks for sharing. I gave myself a few months of GAP period and started looking for a job these days. I applied to about 20~30 companies that seemed similar and didn’t need experience, but I felt that most HRs would not look at them. Some of those who looked at them also rejected me. Do you have any experience you can share? I’m based in Shenzhen.
Anonymous user If you know someone who works for Amazon, you can learn and practice the backend. It’s easy to get started and it only takes a month or two to get you up and running: you can upload products, ship goods, do A+, and get familiar with automatic advertising. Then you can learn some basic knowledge about Amazon, such as advertising types and advertising framework building. Then you won’t be considered inexperienced when looking for a job:-)
Grass grows and birds fly 123 Sister, you are so brave. You have the courage to change careers at 30+. I hope you are getting better and better.
Amazon is a sideline - Going further and further on the road of advertising research Agree with: Yozaizaiupup, Energetic Girl Li Kui0, Happy Horse is Me Sometimes academic qualifications can become a stumbling block. With your qualifications, you can find a professional company that is much better than Amazon, which is a better choice for your current situation.
But there will be a high learning cost after entering Amazon, including time, money and your original life.
I suggest you think about three questions before you decide to change careers:
1. Do I want a job that provides freedom or greater achievement?
2. Is it true that the ceiling of my industry is only 300,000 yuan? Does he have more hidden income?
3. Through what channels can you get in touch with Amazon, and how much information about Amazon can you get through that channel?
Because the information nowadays is too fragmented and too easy to mislead people, and there are also many organizations that are trying to cheat people . If you eventually choose to switch to Amazon or other platforms, you must be prepared for the worst, as the gap is something you cannot estimate.
Anonymous user Agree from: Iszzzz, Mr. Ding 888, Martindale, MMurphy, Ponyo is here More » Familiar major, haha. Based on your education and previous income level, I personally don't recommend you to join Amazon .
Small companies are best because you can be exposed to more products, but the prerequisite is that someone is willing to guide you.
You currently have no experience and no industry resources, so I think development is more suitable for you. Operations is too low a starting point for you. If you choose development, I think you will get started faster. In addition, you can also get in touch with some operations knowledge through development work.
As for the category, it depends on whether it is a big company or a small company, whether it produces high-quality products or distributes them. If it is development, I think choosing the right company should be more important.
If you want to start a business, it depends on what product you choose, and it depends on the competition of the site. The US site is Amazon's headquarters, so the competition is generally higher. The Japanese site is closer, the logistics is faster, and the payment is faster. However, Japan is not like Europe and the United States, where basic products are scarce. Japan also has large platforms such as Rakuten and Yahoo, so the competition is not small.
To work to the level you mentioned, you need to be an operations manager or above. There are very few people who can earn so much just from operations.
It would be best if you could combine your previous experience in the environmental industry and use it at Amazon. Otherwise, it would be like throwing away a lot of your previous experience and going back to the starting line to compete with others.
Iszzzz Do you think it is feasible to work in a company to gain experience for about a year first and then return to your own industry and work part-time on Amazon?
Anonymous user @Iszzzz: If you learn, you should be able to get started in half a year. But if you want to do Amazon as a part-time job, then it is more likely that you will invest money to do it yourself. This depends on whether you can find a product that suits you. If you treat it as a side job, then you will definitely not take care of it during your working hours during the day. This is contrary to the mainstream company's idea of recruiting people for operation. You are a free-range person, so you pay a lot of attention to the product. If you can find such a good product, then of course there is no problem, or you can find someone to partner with you, but the risks of Amazon are not small. After all, if you want to do it, you have to do FBA, you have to hold goods, and pay for shipping costs. When the goods arrive, you will start charging storage fees, and you also have to advertise. The financial pressure is not small.
bei suosi @Iszzzz: If you have this idea, it is best to do this job part-time and don't quit. Take some time out to learn the basics. You don't have much idea about Amazon yet. Once you know more about it, you can consider whether to do this job full-time. Especially in these years when all industries are in recession, this way the risk is small.
OhMWen Agree from: Iszzzz, Mr. Ding 888 - The company you join cannot be too small, at least it cannot have less than 30 people, preferably a company with a complete structure. Try not to join a company with hundreds or thousands of people, because you will probably not learn much knowledge after working as a screw for a year or two. In addition, if the company is small but the founder has a good background, it is also worth going. In general, it depends on the specific situation.
- Do operations and produce high-quality products in preparation for starting your own business.
- Don't choose big-ticket products, small household items, clothing, etc., as they are not suitable for starting a business. However, considering that there are relatives who make clothing, it may be helpful in the future. It depends on the specific situation.
- It is recommended that you start your business at the same location as when you are working in the company.
- It is not too difficult to work across borders with an income of 300,000 before tax.
Others: If you follow the regular process, you should prepare your resume and interview well. Generally, e-commerce companies are not willing to recruit people over 30 for basic positions.
Anonymous user The situation is similar to yours, 985+HW 8 years+1 million/year
I started Amazon in 2021. What have I experienced? Carrying boxes, I carried a ton of goods from the entrance of the community to my home by myself like an ant moving house;
Labeling, I have applied tens of thousands of labels by hand;
I stay in the warehouse. I don’t want to rent a warehouse, so I go to the freight forwarding warehouse or logistics warehouse every Friday to count the goods, inspect them and ship them out.
result
21 years of losses,
The cash flow in 2022 is basically the same. From the perspective of the project, it is profitable, and the profit is in the goods;
After 23 years, the cash flow profit is tens of thousands and a small team is established.
I have an experience to share with you. It was not carrying boxes, putting labels on people, and working in the warehouse that helped me achieve a little bit of results, but having a good original intention, thinking iteratively, and acting agilely may help you get closer to your set goals with good luck. However, putting down your 985, carrying boxes when you need to, putting labels on people when you need to, and working in the warehouse when you need to, these are also indispensable experiences and mindsets.
Anonymous user Agree with: More, Enjoy the flowers blooming and falling, Lei Gugu, Mr. Ding 888, SEN2022 More » It’s better not to change careers. 90% of people working at Amazon don’t make more than 200,000 yuan a year.
Many large companies will not hire someone like you who has a high degree but no work experience if you have more than 15 people. If you don't believe me, you can try it.
Small companies may consider your English level and have a 50% chance of hiring you.
If you don't have a strong company, don't build a US site
Anonymous user
Agree from: jackhong, ElianaBam, Mr. Ding 888, Simchen, Martindale More » If you have an annual pre-tax income of 250,000+ before leaving your job, don't try Amazon, anyone can do it. The key is that once you come, you will only have 1/3 of your basic salary. I suggest you stay here. If you really don't want to give it a try, I suggest you try a part-time job. The difference in salary between changing jobs and not changing jobs is nearly 6,000 a month. If you encounter something you don't understand, take 6,000 yuan a month to ask questions on the forum. I guarantee you will learn more, faster and better than going to a company.
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