Would you hire a job seeker who failed in his solo career? Do people who have started their own business full-time find it difficult to adapt to the routine life of a hard worker?

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I personally understand this the most - because I am

I was one of the early entrants into the cross-border industry. The initial stage of my business was smooth sailing. I recruited people and introduced the investor mechanism. I never expected to encounter a black swan event, the global epidemic , and the main category (which had been working alone for more than 2 years) was hit hard. I decided to give up temporarily. It took me half a year to quickly enter the rising category (ABA top100), set up a factory and molds to develop a series of products and operate the brand. Although I was fortunate to break through the top 100 of the major category, there were too many pitfalls in the new category node, and I didn’t have enough experience in the rush to enter the market. After pulling the financial data (the investment-to-production ratio was low and the investment had not yet been recovered), I decided to break up with the investors and bear the losses and disband the team.

The above is a brief introduction to my background. To be honest, I think I have experienced a difficult entrepreneurial experience. Although I failed, the overall operation was not a problem to a certain extent.

So, what lies before me is to go back to the mode of working alone, or to find a part-time job to hone my skills. Since this startup almost emptied my savings and I was operating with zero salary, plus the setbacks in the startup, I had no choice but to download recruitment software. Fortunately, I was invited to join a team (10 people per year, about 3KWR, conservatively estimated to be 2024, 1.5Y)

I will answer the question below, and thank the poster for asking such a question, which gave me the opportunity to recall the past:

Q: 1. Having been a boss before, my understanding of the overall situation and operations is actually higher than that of the existing grassroots management and even me. If I were to become a salesperson again, I would feel that it is neither right to manage nor to manage, and I cannot find a good position for such a job seeker;

A: This statement is correct. Ever since I joined the new team, I have been very ambitious. Although I was assigned a management position and was independently in charge of a project, I always wanted to integrate the previous successful cases into the existing team. In fact, if it succeeds, it would be fine. I am just afraid that everyone’s ideas and trial-and-error methods are different. It is certain that they will not be able to adapt to the local environment, and friction and collision are also inevitable. Due to the inherent thinking, I always feel that there is absolutely nothing wrong with following the old path to copy previous successful cases, but I ignore the fact that the genes and existing conditions and resources of the current team may be different.

Actually, there is a way to solve this problem. According to my current method, if I were hiring myself at that time, I would give an amount, if it is 100,000 to 200,000 yuan, brother, that's good enough, let's do it together, I won't interfere with you, but you have to get results in return. If you spend it all, sorry, see you later.

Q: 2. I have started a business before, so I have my own account. I am worried that if I come here, the company's product information and operation methods will be used to make my own account (I am a manager, not a boss. Although I am a little narrow-minded, I do have such concerns);

A: Actually, you don't have to worry about this, because the labor-capital relationship is employment in itself. One sacrifices time to earn wages, and the other gets the profits to support the company. In the current market environment, it is inevitable to have a side job. The main reason is that the risk of working alone across borders is also very high. In addition, the company pays attention to intellectual property rights in compliance, so if the product is copied, the personal risk is also very high. If you really want to plagiarize, you must consider it carefully.

Personally, I don’t reject your employees making more money. I will actively give you opportunities to make money in the company, so that you can meet your needs as much as possible within the company platform without having to seek outside. If you really have entrepreneurial passion, I can discover it and give you certain permissions to let you try and make mistakes within a certain range and grow independently. If not, then we can talk about it again. There is one thing that needs to be explained here: the essence of employees doing it themselves is that either the company gives too little or the employees are not given enough sense of value (the damn P era).


Q: 3. Concerns about stability. I think people who have been full-time entrepreneurs for a long time find it difficult to adapt to the life of a hard-working person who follows a routine operation.

A: After starting a business, you still have the entrepreneurial passion and want to make a comeback one day. Employees who don't want to be bosses are not good employees. The stability is indeed poor, and the way of thinking is more diverse. You want this and that. At this time, you need to introduce OKR from the beginning. Brother, I know you have climbed, but now you have to run with the team again. Lone wolf thinking is not suitable for the current team. Please keep restraint on a certain business. Let's start with a monthly sales of 100,000 US dollars (break-even point).

I have roughly typed it. I still remember the past entrepreneurial experience vividly. I am also very emotional about the feeling of focusing on a certain business unit in the company. Do well in the present, get the right time, and be in the right position. In addition, I also call for a certain degree of tolerance for those who start a business and then return to the workplace, or mothers who return to the workplace. They also need courage to enter. For the company, there is essentially a point of mutual cooperation. Those with experience or stable blank slate can copy the company's successful model and add some Jedi counterattacks to our cross-border industry to create more brilliant cases.

hx 0118 • Suzhou • 4 days ago

What the elder brother shared makes a lot of sense. Normally speaking, it takes a few years to start a side business. Because it is quite risky to work full-time on your own, I personally think it is better to work for a company and then start a small business on your own. However, you don't know how long you will work or what performance you will achieve, so you can try your hand at a side business.

Kik i20201231 • Shenzhen • 3 days ago

Thank you for sharing. It is a good case and a good result of a two-way choice. The right person is in the right position. I wish you all the best.

Your body and name will be destroyed • Guangzhou • 3 days ago

Hello, I want to ask, what do you think is the appropriate base salary for operations to recruit real

Re becca888 • Guangzhou • 1 day ago

@尔曹身与名俱灭: We also need to consider the product category and profit margin.

Yixin1234 • Shantou • 4 hours ago

It does take courage to return to the workplace. After all, he has compromised between the freedom of entrepreneurship and the helplessness of reality. And as he gets older, the burden of the family will make it more difficult for him to start a business again.

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This just hit my point, give your opinion
I agree with the poster's point of view, and I also understand the views of many posters

Why do I agree with the post? Because I have really fallen into the trap.
It's very simple. I stepped on the thunder. Although it was only once, the blow was huge enough. I also share the view of many other OPs. Don't look at those who have started a business with tinted glasses. As long as you can talk well and think well, you can work together. Yes, that's right. Then I had my products stolen by such people and almost got rich. The category I work in happens to be difficult to define whether it is infringing or not. Just change it casually and it will be a brand new thing, similar to clothing.

How did I find out ? In the middle of last year, my team and I were working very hard on expanding products and achieving growth. Since I came from an operations background, I often looked at the categories and found that several designs were very similar to ours. So I kept an eye on them. But later on, when the products started to pick up, the operations manager resigned, saying that he had something to do at home. I didn't try to keep him because he was doing an average job in the company and was basically just making up for his salary every month.

At the end of a month, we were chatting, eating and drinking with suppliers as usual. It happened that the supplier said that a customer had requested several high-quality imitations of our products. Basically, they wanted to wait for the patterns and accessories to be changed. They asked me if I knew them and the minimum order quantity was not low. At that time, I didn’t take it seriously. The products in the following categories gradually became popular. I remembered this and asked the supplier for the customer’s information. They said it was Mr. Hu, but I didn’t know his real name. It happened to be the same as my recently resigned employee.

Then I went back to the office to get his employment file, searched for his emergency contact person in the employment contract, and found out that his wife had opened a company six months ago, and the corresponding stores for those new products matched up. What happened later? I called the police, tried the phone, and tried lawyers, but it was useless. I was very angry and it wasted a lot of my time, money, and energy. Fortunately, he didn't succeed later, and the company was deregistered. Maybe it's just in line with the old saying, everything will be fine.

So why would you choose such a high-risk person when you have a choice? I am not targeting all entrepreneurs, but if someone like me succeeds and brings me down, it would be a devastating blow to me. At this time, are there more people like me who come out to post?

D AYTOY • Shenzhen • 4 days ago

It has something to do with people's morality. I also work part-time while working. I find the company's products, but I will not come across products on the company's account. I am not worried about being discovered by the boss. The account is purchased, so the boss can't find out.

Late Autumn Leaves Fall • Shenzhen • 4 days ago

@DAYTOY : There is no morality in the face of interests. The only reason there is morality is because the interests are not big enough.

Kiki202 01231 • Shenzhen • 3 days ago

@秋末叶落: Thank you for sharing. This is indeed one of the concerns. The category I work in is clothing, and there are no patents. It is not difficult to copy, but I do have concerns. It may still depend on the person. Ability is one aspect, but the bottom line is also important.

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1. Having been a boss before, his understanding of the overall situation and operations is actually higher than that of the existing grassroots management or even me. If he were to become a salesperson again, he would feel that it is neither right to manage nor to manage, and there is no good position for such a job seeker;

-- --I don't think there is a difference in the level of cognition and understanding. The difference lies in whether you can give a reasonable solution to a specific problem. Even if you have amazing talent, if there is no platform for development, it is just talk on paper. So there is no such thing as being unable to manage or difficult to manage. First of all, get along with the other party from a normal management perspective. Just say what you should say. If you say something wrong, you can ask the other party to correct you. You can learn a lot of good experience by encountering such an operation. It cannot be said that management must have a superior feeling in all aspects, right? So I think this is a question of mentality. If you are willing to put down your status, can't a person who failed in entrepreneurship provide a lot of practical guidance for your future entrepreneurship? In the future, if you are not colleagues, you may still be friends~

2. I have started a business before, so I have my own accounts. I am worried that if I come here, the company's product information and operation methods will be used to make my own accounts (I am a manager, not a boss. Although I am a little narrow-minded, I do have such concerns);

-- --This is not a problem of entrepreneurship, this is a problem of ability. People with ability and achievements may pose such a threat to the company. It is unavoidable, so this worry is meaningless.


3. Concerns about stability. I think it is difficult for people who have been full-time entrepreneurs for a long time to adapt to the life of a hard-working person who follows a routine operation.

-- --On the contrary, I believe that even if you haven't experienced the hardships of starting a business, you can imagine one or two people who have started a business for a long time but ultimately failed, and are willing to start over and work for others. I think people who have awe for work and life and truly understand humility can adapt to this kind of life better and faster. It's not necessarily because they like it, but relatively speaking, this kind of regular and simple life is easier to get started. If I meet someone who can understand my past experience and trust me, and even entrust me with important tasks, I believe that the other party will express this kindness with practical actions and will go all out to create value for the company. It's like a headhunter looking for high-end talents from one company to another. There will be many worries like the questioner. But why are there still so many people willing to change jobs? Why are the bosses who poach people at ease? I think the principles here are somewhat similar.

PS: I also have the experience of looking for a job after working on my own, but the time was relatively short. I am a small seller~

yamiya

The specific evaluation should be based on the company's current situation and the other party's experience.

1. Having been a boss before, his understanding of the overall situation and operations is actually higher than that of the existing grassroots management or even me. If he were to become a salesperson again, he would feel that it is neither right to manage nor to manage, and there is no good position for such a job seeker;
You will only work together if you have the same three views and directions. If you have discussed the direction well, whether it is cognition or other understanding, he is better than you, you can learn a lot, and you are better than him, he can also learn from you, it is a strong combination. People who have started a business must be more proactive in solving problems. They will think more and ultimately solve problems.

2. I have started a business before, so I have my own accounts. I am worried that if I come here, the company's product information and operation methods will be used to make my own accounts (I am a manager, not a boss. Although I am a little narrow-minded, I do have such concerns);
Companies with a sound structure and strong supply will not be afraid of this problem at all. In fact, it is useless to be afraid of others. You should discover their strengths and use them to help you. You can clearly state that you can do a side job, but the contract does not allow you to sell the company's products (in fact, this cannot completely eliminate this worry). If the other party is really strong, you can cooperate with him and redistribute the benefits.

3. Concerns about stability. I think it is difficult for people who have been full-time entrepreneurs for a long time to adapt to the life of a hard-working person who follows a routine operation.
This is more difficult to manage, but it is not a problem. As long as there are results, everything can be discussed. It’s the same as the previous point. If the other party is really strong and agrees with the general direction you want to go, you can think of more ways to maximize the benefits between you and tie you together. This way, he will not sell your products privately or change jobs.

There are many excellent people, and the most important thing is character. People who have started their own business will encounter more things and have more ideas. If it is suitable for you, you should find ways to cooperate with it. If it is not suitable, the above may happen and bring you big trouble. In fact, there are also people who have started their own business with poor business ability. It depends on what kind of talents your company needs. In general, colleagues who have started their own business have more advantages than disadvantages, and those with strong abilities will definitely help your business. I believe that there are still more good people in the world, and those who maliciously steal products or even do small tricks will get retribution one day.

jiangang   - Post-90s Amazon Newbie

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I am one of those people who failed twice in starting an Amazon business and then went back to work in a company. The first failure was when I just graduated from college in 2020. At that time, I didn’t know anything and just did it blindly. The second failure was from mid-2023 to mid-2024. In summary, the biggest reason for failure was my poor self-control. Now the store is still running normally, but it is far from my expectations, so I judge it as a business failure.

At present, I have returned to work at my original company and run my own store at the same time. Now I have a change in my mentality, which is to focus most of my energy on work and use my spare time to run my own store, because my main source of income is work, and the store hardly makes any money. In comparison, the input-output ratio of work is higher.

It is difficult to assess whether this type of operations staff is suitable for re-entering the company based on the interview alone. This type of employee is more suitable for small companies because they have a comprehensive understanding of everything from product development to sales and even taxation. It is not recommended for large companies with a complete management system and training mechanism to hire this type of employee.

Linlinlinlin26   -Amazon Operations

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Having been a boss before, his overall knowledge and understanding of operations are actually higher than those of existing grassroots management or even me. If a small or medium-sized enterprise needs an experienced middle-level manager, you can recruit them. Because the job seeker does have experience and can run the store. This kind of person should be given reasonable power and share.

The company's product information operation methods will be used to make their own accounts. This is difficult to avoid. The operators who don't want to make any more money will make almost the same amount of money, so they don't want to work alone. If job seekers learn this, it will be difficult to prevent others from working alone. Even if the operators have not worked alone before, it is hard to say whether they will work alone in the future. This requires giving the operators a reasonable commission + optimizing the company's processes + improving the competitiveness of their own products.

It is difficult to adapt to the routine life of running a business. If you decide to go back to work after working alone, as long as the company allocates the job reasonably, sometimes job seekers will stay longer. Just like those who work as GWY after graduation, they will leave because they think TIZHI is too stable. Those who have worked in private enterprises for a few years will know the good of TIZHI, and will be very happy to get a job after a lot of hard work. It depends on whether the needs of the company and the job seeker can match each other.

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First, they are afraid of being difficult to manage. This is indeed the case. People who have worked alone usually have more ideas and their cognition exceeds the job requirements. They may not be able to adapt to a routine execution role when they re-enter the workplace, which will increase the management cost of the company. For companies that already have a mature model, it may be useless, but it is still worth considering for startups that have just entered the industry.

The second point is that there is no need to worry about it. Whether you are a senior operator who has worked alone or not, it is possible that he or she has his or her own account. This is something that cannot be avoided. No matter what kind of operator you recruit, the operators in our industry basically have the heart to work alone.

Thirdly, the concern about stability is also not wrong. Most of the operators who have worked alone and returned to the workplace are waiting for an opportunity. Once there is a new opportunity and the capital to turn things around, they may regroup and go out again. However, it does not mean that those who have not worked alone will not go out to work alone.

Summary: Some people like newbies, some like experienced people, some like hardworking people, and some like steady and steady people. You can recruit according to your own preferences and the employment needs of the company at the current stage of development. That's all.

Obsession 111 • Shenzhen • 3 hours ago

Having worked on my own means that I have enough confidence in my abilities. It is inevitable that I will be a little arrogant when I return to the company, but I do have enough abilities and experience.

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What a coincidence, I am the department leader, and my two colleagues have both been bosses and entrepreneurs before. We have worked together for more than two years now. The biggest difference between working with them (I have worked with those who have not started a business before) is that they have more ideas. Here I am not talking about continuing to start a business, but more operational means, and knowing how to think from the perspective of the overall situation. Both of them failed in their previous business ventures and lost a lot of money. What they want now is stability. After all, most of those who are working at Amazon are almost 30 years old.

The team I led before earned a maximum of 1 million a year. Now, the two of them and I have earned 10 million for the company in more than half a year. We only asked for a basic salary of 8K and did not care about the salary at all. However, their abilities and the performance they created far exceeded those of ordinary operations. The company paid them commissions, and both of us earned hundreds of thousands, but had no intention of leaving.

So after so long, I think that operations people who have started their own business are actually beneficial to the company, especially for small teams. It is definitely more practical than operations people who want 25K. If you always want to recruit awesome operations people with high salaries, you can consider these veterans who have started their own business.

Open Society • Shenzhen • 4 days ago

It also shows that you are a person with a vision, so you can get along well with people like them. You are excellent in knowing how to appoint people to the right positions.

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Having started a business shows that one dares to fight, has ideas, has plans to live a better life, and has bigger goals. However, the road to entrepreneurship depends not only on personal ability, but also on resources, environment, timing and luck. Failure does not mean anything. Why do we always have prejudices against people who have started a business? In the workplace, whoever has the strongest ability and the best performance has the right to speak. If you say something bad, you will give him a position and don’t know how to manage him. Is it possible that the person you manage has low self-esteem, or is he subjectively rejecting others, for fear that they will surpass you?

Those who secretly use company resources to create their own accounts, to be honest, if they copy the company's resource product model, they must have strong capabilities. Do you think the company's products are just luck? Also, ask yourself, who doesn't have their own little tricks when working for others? Some are even doing it secretly.

If life is not a necessity, who would be willing to be a cow or a horse? If it is not for a few pieces of silver, who would be willing to be a cow or a horse, and not have any emotions?

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If the company's development meets the employees' expectations, the employees will not take the risk to start their own business. Of course, there are two prerequisites:

1. Employees have enough ability. All operators want to be bosses, but not all operators can be bosses. Those who have entrepreneurial experience and have failed without major decisions have a global vision that ordinary operators cannot compare with. Such people have enough desire to make money and have more and broader ideas. They are definitely treasures if they can use them well. Other operators who are half-baked are excluded (after all, they think they are capable, but they may not really be capable).

2. The company needs to be a good mentor. It needs to be able to know how to use people well, provide them with enough stages, and offer them relatively reasonable salaries. These are what the company should consider. Don’t consider whether others are stable or not, but whether you can provide the right level of support. If not, few people can be retained.

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In fact, starting a business requires a very high level of ability from a person. Even if the business fails, there is still experience gained.
However, employers are worried that entrepreneurs are unstable and have high expectations but low skills. I believe that when most people choose to quit their jobs to start their own businesses, they do so with the hope of not living a routine life. But after failure, people's mental state is different. If you encounter an excellent resume, you might as well spend some time chatting with them and evaluate the candidate's true state before making a decision.

d d12356 • Jinhua • 4 days ago

I also think that after all, experience is experience, and it is good to have more experience and accumulate experience.

zwl 32825 • Hong Kong • 4 days ago

Apart from other things, if the other party is willing to communicate, you can learn a lot of things that you could not learn before as a cow or a horse.

Open Society • Shenzhen • 4 days ago

@zwl32825 : Yes, starting a business is all about hard work and lessons. If you don't think of yourself as someone superior, you can learn a lot from others. If you start a business in the future, maybe they can help you a lot.

Mr. p raise • Shenzhen • 1 day ago

Indeed, the reasons for failure and a series of practices will definitely be reviewed. At least they are clear about what was not done well and what needs to be done well. They have rich experience and can help us to some extent.

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A hero does not ask where he came from. First of all, when I saw this statement, my first feeling was that I was convinced by U. You know that your knowledge is limited, but you say no to things beyond your knowledge. I really don't know whether you are humble or stupid. As an interviewer, if you can meet your expectations, just hire them. Being direct and efficient is better than intrigue.

I would also like to say something to the majority of operations staff, especially job seekers, you still need to be more confident. Career choice is a two-way thing. Besides, it's just a job. The so-called low, middle and senior management or bosses are mostly workers. Living a good life is better than anything else.

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The company is not competitive enough, has a shallow moat, and has no growth, so it will worry about the distribution of the pie.

A competitive company will never reject talents at any time. As long as your distribution is fair, talents will only help the company.

If everyone thinks about how to take away the surplus of other people's labor more reasonably, instead of how to make the pie bigger and make everyone's income higher and higher, then society will not make any progress.

JJY W Jiuyue • Changsha • 4 days ago

"As long as your distribution is fair enough" I have never encountered this even though I have been in class for more than 10 years.

d ayong • Guangzhou • 4 days ago

How many companies have deep moats? Most bosses in the cross-border industry don’t want to cultivate competitors. It’s hard to guarantee that the employees you hire are smarter than you, learn your tricks, and beat you down.

Open Society • Shenzhen • 4 days ago

@dayong : Your concerns are indeed in line with the current situation. However, I think what the thread starter said also makes sense. If you want to grow bigger and stronger and make continuous progress, you can't think of teaching your apprentices to starve yourself to death. That really won't help you grow.

Nightmare at dawn. • Shenzhen • 4 days ago

@dayong : Whether it is technology, patents, product compliance thresholds and shared costs, or the most basic volume, they are all moats. If you go to a big seller in a red ocean category, they are not afraid of you copying their products. The volume is there, and from product costs, appearance customization costs, logistics costs, payment terms, and the investment intensity of advertising funds, all kinds of advantages are aggregated. Even if you find an investor, it is 80% difficult to replicate the second 0-1. Most of the sellers who can be stolen are those who sell small hot products or sell large quantities of hot products. Some of them only have the most basic manpower, and of course they can be replaced at any time. Just like our company's products, there is no way to get started. Not only do you need money, but you also need connections to enter the market.

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Of course you can hire them. People who have started businesses have much more dimensions to think about than ordinary operations. And for the boss, stability is not that important. What the boss wants is that the employee can produce enough during his time on the job. After the business becomes big, the boss will just hire someone who is "stable".

Literary Young Woman • Shenzhen • 1 day ago

The analysis is very insightful.

Blue Ocean Fishing Expert • United States • 1 day ago

You are the boss

Anonymous user

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Don't worry, most of the people who start their own business and then go out to work are basically those whose accounts are almost dead and they have no money to start over . You can use such people without any worries. It is more reassuring than the employees in the company!

Time 6666 • Ningbo • 10 hours ago

What truth to tell?